tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2359698087928768667.post8014913331497768953..comments2023-11-05T07:30:16.659-05:00Comments on Obiter Dictum: Winter Soldier 2008: The First Bogus Claim?Denis Keohanehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11931467085232813353noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2359698087928768667.post-4286539980411393532008-01-18T16:17:00.000-05:002008-01-18T16:17:00.000-05:00Army Sergeant -I'm not sure where beyond the Orwel...Army Sergeant -<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure where beyond the Orwellian portal you are communicating from, but back here on terra firma, words mean things.<BR/><BR/>Of course, this is hardly the first fraudulent claim that IVAW or one of its members has made - in fact, it is but another in a long pattern of lies, distortions and misrepresentations that we have come to expect from Jimmy Massey & Company (BTW, my personal favorite is IVAW's Chomsky-esque replacement of the term "Deserter" with "War Resister").<BR/><BR/>As George Orwell stated, "if thought corrupts language, then language can also corrupt thought". Obviously, IVAW, has learned this lesson well, and is putting it into to practice.<BR/><BR/>Noam Chomsky would be proud.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2359698087928768667.post-19050697635355334262008-01-18T06:27:00.000-05:002008-01-18T06:27:00.000-05:00Probably because in the same sentence, it talks ab...Probably because in the same sentence, it talks about said veterans speaking out, and assumes that individuals can link two parts of a sentence together.<BR/><BR/>Why don't you pick on every time the President uses the words 'will' instead of 'we predict it will'? Again, no one can know the future in advance, because circumstances can always alter. There are many things which could take place.<BR/><BR/>I know you won't trust me on this, but I see the troops on an everyday basis a lot more than you do, being, well, a troop. And I'm telling you that the sentiments of IVAW are often mimicked by active duty troops-it's simply that they're not very vocal about it. It will take a lot to break through that culture of 'suck it up'. It doesn't mean that people don't agree, simply because they're not all rushing out in droves to join IVAW at the moment.Army Sergeanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11353058340579444160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2359698087928768667.post-58881560036131506282008-01-17T22:24:00.000-05:002008-01-17T22:24:00.000-05:00"Obviously, it will not be the biggest gathering o..."Obviously, it will not be the biggest gathering of active duty Iraq and Afghanistan veterans...People are expected to use a little thought with this sort of thing..."<BR/><BR/>Well, if it obvious that it won't be, why does IVAW say it will be????<BR/><BR/>"...if it fails to materialize that way, it won't be a 'bogus claim', it will be a 'failed prediction'."<BR/><BR/>I missed the words "we predict..."!<BR/><BR/>It's not a prediction, Sarge. It's called "hype". Media "hype"! That is often and generally understood as something unlike truth!<BR/><BR/>The reason it is hype is because IVAW, with several hundred members, is constantly inflating how many soldier supposedly are on their side, but can never produce them! So they just say "Many, many, lots and lots..." and that grand uprising of the troops will happen any minute - just like it didn't nearly forty years ago when VVAW made the same claim!<BR/><BR/>Hype, Sarge, media hype!Denis Keohanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11931467085232813353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2359698087928768667.post-72348859359251071432008-01-17T21:13:00.000-05:002008-01-17T21:13:00.000-05:00Denis...This is what is known, I believe, as 'nick...Denis...<BR/><BR/>This is what is known, I believe, as 'nickel-and-diming' things, I have to say. Obviously, it will not be the biggest gathering of active duty Iraq and Afghanistan veterans. The biggest gathering of active duty Iraq and Afghanistan veterans would probably be in Iraq and Afghanistan. Or yes, large-scale unit formations.<BR/><BR/>People are expected to use a little thought with this sort of thing. It's billed as an event where Iraq and Afghanistan veterans share their experiences. It may, in fact, wind up being the largest gathering of that. I don't know. No one can tell these things. It's a prediction. DC could be swallowed in fire tomorrow. Winter Soldier could not come off. The people who wrote that webpage believe it will be the largest political gathering of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans. I believe it will be the largest gathering of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans talking about their experiences to media. Either way, if it fails to materialize that way, it won't be a 'bogus claim', it will be a 'failed prediction'.Army Sergeanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11353058340579444160noreply@blogger.com